http://www.cnn.com/2001/health/conditions/10/12/nyc.anthrax/index.html .
looks like they are attacking our media now...remember that the florida building was named american media..for all y'all that live in far-away places like norway and antarctica, got room for me, a girlfriend two kitties 30 fish and a hasmter?.
-dan
http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/12/nyc.anthrax/index.html
Looks like they are attacking our media now...remember that the florida building was named AMERICAN MEDIA..for all y'all that live in far-away places like Norway and antarctica, got room for me, a girlfriend two kitties 30 fish and a hasmter?
-Dan
the wtbts and gb of jehovahs witnesses have been caught with their pants down with a whore.
by their request to disassociate themselves from the un harlot they are basically admitting that they have been caught and have sinned.. when a r&f jw commits fornication and gets caught, they are normally disfellowhiped.
while this does not happen in all cases, it almost always happens when one does not confess their sin before getting caught.. the judicial committee that deals with a r&f fornication case considers the attitude of the sinner looking for such indicators as:.
my cat style is very proud of his furry balls and loves showing them off but he is gonna be sad after he umm..gets 'fixed'
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
i jus realized this entire thread was boyfriend and girlfriend versus boyfriend and girlfriend...hehe it explains alot
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
She is a very kind person.
From the obsenities hurled at me from her i wouldnt agree with that at all.
also, you refer to bgurls post about balls to make friends, you ignore her post that says she has great respect for us as x-jws for having the balls to leave the organization.
basically, every x-jw I know personally is very fucked up including me, and although you say we are very aware of our oddities, sometimes we dont even realize half of them. I had to fight off a prejudice against homosexuals for a while for example, and found that I was extremley selfish in my actions because of my JW upbringing.
Also, right after leaving the JW's you are very very vulnerable to falling into other cults. I personally almost fell into the International Church of Christ even more than a year after leaving the JW's. I almost fell for some multi-level marketing scams. Stuff like Quixtar. (im waiting for someone to post that quixtar is a great business and that if I had invested in it personally id see that it was wonderful etc etc.)
It does leave scars and I personally have boo-hooed about it quite a bit. Just last halloween i started crying because I saw all the kids in cosutmes trick or treating and I felt robbed of my childhood. I cry jus about every christmas. Nuthin wrong with it and theres alot of real pain.
But really, how many people did YOU offend while a Jehovahs Witness? How many people's religions did YOU belittle and how many feelings did you hurt and how many lifes did you help ruin while a JW. He who has not sinned cast the first stone....
Just remember where you came from and try to be a little more peacable with those that bear you no ill will.
perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
I just recited that while looking into a mirror and for some reason I started cackling like a mad scientist..weeeeird
well i finally got the guts to tell my mother that i had enlisted in the army.
she didn't say a whole lot to me, but she did tell my sister she was calling the elders and that when i was df'd she would have nothing to do with me.
i can't say that it suprises me too much, but i was hoping for more of an adult reaction.
The army has great benefits, retirement, tuition programs, BA programs, everything under the sun. Just dont let the military training pass on to your personal life, in other words dont treat your GF/wife the way you drill instructor treats you. Always have compassion for your friends and loved ones but never ever for the enemy.
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
tim, just like your unbiased arguments about sending your own daughter to model search america. Also, knowing my gf i know she dosent think of JW suffering as something light and trifle but rather an unalterable permanant scar that will always be part of our psyche.
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
That's right bboy you have caught me...I am a closeminded anti-worldly nasty hateful warmongering bloodthirsty haughty ex JW with a hostile attitude oh and I have a superiority complex too....I want excluse rights to this site so I can boo hoo to my hearts content...can't believe I was busted like this...thought I covered my tracks so well...you are just WAY to insightful for me bboy...
don't give a rat's fuck! And I sure as HELL won't be putting my emotions out there anymore for you or anyone else like you to shit on again...
You arent sincere in your desire to post your real feelings and be open on this board. You say want to find out how to make real friends outside of the borg and x-jw mindset, yet you get given advice by a 'wordly' person and then you resort to cursing and name-calling. Remmeber this is a NON-JW who has NEVER been a JW..cant you take her words with a grain of salt? She never said to shut up in fact she said to TALK about it, tell your friends help others avoid the same mistake. You won't grow as an individual free of the borg if you only assosiate with x-jws. you need outside friends and outside advice as well. There was a lot of good advice in her post but you ignore it and choose to focus only on the negative. You have a lot of hate in your heart and you need to let go of it before you can interact socially in a 'normal' fashion. Like bgurl said, we were spoiled as JW's, we had instant friends and not only that, we were deceived because they were not really friends at all. With that in mind she gave good advice regarding how to gain friends, that basically it aint easy and you have to be brave and face possible rejection. Sheltering yourself wont help. and if you honestly beleive you can interact with other people and not get hurt in the process, then you are greatly mistaken. Running and hiding just becayse you were offended wont do you any good. It will only happen again and then what will you do? run again? In the real world we arent sheltered, we will face brutality, heartlessness, and general meaness all the time. You have to learn to deal with it without spitting out obsenities and running off.
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
Tim the fact is they use deceptive advertising and WILL TAKE ANYONE to go their convention, so it is a scam because they dont care about your real model potential, they take your $500 no matter what have you go out there. Like I said, you dont need them. C'mon, if you were an model scout for a major agency and you are sent to these conventions, after seeing like 500 pretty faces in a row how would you feel? They all start to look the same..think about shopping for colognes..think about having to smell 500 different scents in one day. Its not a fair representation to the agency.
A rip-off is not illegal. It tends to make vague promises or have one or two out of thousands that actual do get careers. It tends to work with anyone who has the money to pay up front no matter whether they have talent or not. Of course, it tellsl everyone they have some type of talent. This is a big category. It can include modeling agencies that charge up front for signing fees, photo shoots, or require you take their class before they will work with you. These can include some of the modeling conventions, searches, and competitions. There are lots of virtual modeling sites that are springing up all over the web. It seems there are new rip-off enterprises starting every day.
Warning Signs (taken from modeling advice.com)
Warning signs of a scam or a less then legitimate or poorly run modeling agency.
1) Newspaper classified ad or display ad looking for any kind of model or talent other than nude glamour modeling. Modeling agencies have plenty of wannabe's coming to them so they don't have to advertise for models. If they are short of talent they will send their scouts out to public places to look for potential talent.
2) Pictures of famous New York models on the walls or their comp cards on a wall rack. I don't think Cindy Crawford needs a modeling agency in small town USA. Get real people!
3) Any up front fees. This might be signing fees, new account fees, evaluation fees, etc. If an agency has to charge money at the front end it means that there is not enough money at the back end. This means the agency does not have enough modeling work for the agency to survive on commissions and not enough work for a model to survive.
4) "We are interested in you but you need to test shoot with our photographer and it's going to cost you". Legitimate agencies will provide you with a list of photographers that you may go to. Many will have a place by the front door for photographer's business cards that you can take on your way out. You should be free to go to any photographer you want to. If the agency tells you that you must use their photographer, watch out.
5) "We are interested in you but you need to go through our classes first and it is going to cost you". Again money at the front end = not enough modeling work at the back end.
6) "We guarantee you work". Modeling agencies are not employers. They represent you to try and get you work. Most of the time they don't know for sure what type of jobs will come in or what look may be needed, thus there is no way a legitimate agency can guarantee you work. The best they can do is give you an idea of their track record on placements. But, just like a warning with mutual funds, past performance is no guarantee of future perfomance.
7) "As it said in our newspaper ad we guarantee you work, just like the famous models on our walls, just as soon as you go through our modeling classes, shoot with our photographer, and pay our agency fees". RUN do not walk to the nearest exit.
Like I said you can easily get seen by top agencies on your own with a little research. I did do my research and that is how I came to the conclusion that Model scam america is a rip-off. I can give you the email of my photographer, he has been in the ligitimate modeling business for a long time and has alot of inside knowledge of the many modeling scam agencies, including pro-scout, Model One, and of course model scam america.
Read this personal experience by someone who was scammed by them.
.. http://www.modelingadvice.com/ModelSearchLow.html
among some fo the quotes:
He told us how if we knocked on doors in New York or L.A. , it would cost us thousands of dollars. He said paying for a portfolio and going to modeling schools are rip offs and that MSA would give us the chance to model without all the expenses of getting there.
It sounds to me like you are parroting the crap David fed to you in your post. Parroting is a sign of not thinking. You went thru this as a JW, parrot what was told to you by an authority figure instead of saying things in your own words.
also:
So, that was it. The convention was over. I waited two weeks and called the agent I was most interested in. He told me I was one of the 16 girls they chose to represent out of the 60 girls they called back at the convention. He also wanted me to fly to New Orleans as soon as possible to do a photo shoot. I would have to pay for my plane ticket ($120), pay for the shoot ($375), pay for the prints ($15 each) and pay for my composite cards ($125 for a box of 50). The whole purpose of going to Model Search America was because David Mogul said the agencies that attend his event are only the reputable ones that will not charge you money. I would only make money. Ha! He never informed us that some of the agencies at his event would make us still pay. I learned the hard way that I can knock on doors and spend either the same amount of money I've spent on model search America or less and find an interested agency in the process that will have enough money to not charge me for materials and such.
sounds to me like you got ripped off. Next time before plunking down a ton of money on something that sounds too good to be true why dont you research it. Im a represented model and actor and guess how much I had to pay? Zero.
has anyone else found that the teaching of the "outside world" being a "bad association" limits your involvement and ability to make new freinds?.
if so how have you overcome this and any suggestions to helping those suffering from these feelings?.
lydia
uuumm bboy I didn't come to an EX JW website to find non JW friends
You came here just to be in another closed society? You sure you still don't feel superior to 'worldy' people?
